Jeremiah
1:5; "Before
I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou comest forth
out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of
nations."
God must have known
Jeremiah from a prior existence!
Rev.
22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard
and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things. [9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of
them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
How
could the angel and the prophets be brothers, if it wasn't when they
were both created, as spirit beings, prior to the prophets being born into
this earth age?
Ephes.
1:5 Having
predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus
Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his
will, . Ephes. 1:6 To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the Beloved.. [7] In whom we have
redemption
through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches
of his grace; [8] Wherein He hath abounded toward
us in all wisdom and prudence; [9] Having
made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good
pleasure which he hath purposed in himself
And
Romans
8:29
For
whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the
image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[30]
Moreover
whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them
he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.[31]
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be
against us?
How come some of us don't have free will,
but are predestinated
to do certain things in this earth age, except God knew us from before?
Paul,
for example, did not have free will! Paul's will was to kill
Christians. Did Paul come forward at a alter call by his own free will? No, God just knocked him off his horse and said, your mine dude!
For
as Paul documents in I Cor. 15
there are two
bodies, one is of flesh and one is of spirit. So when you die in the
flesh you are raised, shall we even say born again, into your spiritual body.
1 Cor. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
He goes
on to
say that unless you are born back into a spiritual body, you cannot
literally enter into the kingdom of God. - You can be saved, by
repentance and claiming
the blood of Christ to cover your sins, but
you must, at the death of your flesh body, or at Christ's return,
(which ever happens first) be reborn into a new spiritual (celestial)
body to literally enter Christ's kingdom.
In
1 Cor. 15:50
Paul
says, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood
cannot
inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit
incorruption.
Now
read, very carefully, what John records in chapter 3 of his book: Especially verse verses 3
& 13.
John
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named
Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that
thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that
thou doest, except God be with him.
3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Most people
think Jesus is talking about being saved here.
He is not.
He is just telling us we were once spirit beings,
with celestial bodies, but later brought into this earth age as human
beings (flesh and blood persons) who must be born again back
into spirit bodies to literally enter His kingdom at His return or when
we die; which ever comes first.
Saved or
not, we will all be born again, back into our celestial bodies!
We're not talking about immorality of our souls
here, but type of body.
4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born
of water (flesh & blood, terrestrial body) and of the
Spirit (back
to spirit, celestial body), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the
Spirit is spirit.
7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (back
to spirit, celestial body)
8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every
one that is born of the Spirit.
9
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10
Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and
knowest not these things?
11
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify
that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
John
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do
know, and
testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye
believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13
And no
man hath ascended up to heaven, but
he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Nor ever will!
We
all existed previously as spirit beings, with celestial bodies, (Yes, the body we must be re-born into) in heaven before being born here on earth
in this flesh and blood, terrestrial body, but we must go back, be
born again into our celestial body, after this flesh
life ends.
Read again what
Jesus has to say to Nicodemus in John 3:3 "Jesus answered
and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be
born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." - Of course,flesh and blood
cannot literally enter the kingdom of God. You must first be born back
into your celestial bodies when this flesh and blood life ends and we
are no longer in our terrestrial bodies. - Cremated,
buried,
blown apart or vaporized by a nuclear bomb, it doesn't matter. When you
are through with the flesh body, you are through with it forever.
And John 3:13 Jesus says,
"And
no man hath
ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven."
All
of us must be born "from above", into the sack of water (terrestrial body) and then be
re-born of the spirit (back
into our celestial body) in order to literally enter into
the kingdom of
God.
Isaiah 8:18
Behold, I and the
children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders
in Israel
from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
Jesus
Christ along with the elect of God, the ones chosen before the
foundation of this earth age (Eph. 1:4), i.e. the ones the LORD had
given Him, all serve His purpose, His will, and serve as conspicuous
"signs" which means beacons, signals, lights, evidence, even as
witnesses. Again, we already noted that Psalm 22:30-31 speaks
concerning the "seed" who shall come (even have) and serve Him in this
final generation. Those sons and daughters make up those two rays of
light spoken of in Habakkuk 3, who are those two golden candlesticks in
Rev. 2 & 3, who are the churches of Philadelphia and Smyrna.
Paul
is now going to recap, as if to say "in others words", and then he will
explain something else that Jesus Christ accomplished by His death, the
depth of which is understood by those who have been eating "meat" for
awhile!
Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch
then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also himself
likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of
death,
that is, the
devil;
So... Jesus Christ took part of flesh and
blood after the same manner as all the children of
God who must all be "born again", which is to be born "anothen"
meaning born "from above", into the sack of water and then be re-born
of the spirit in order to enter into the kingdom of God.
Christ explained this requirement to Nicodemus in John 3 and that "even
the Son of man, who is now in heaven, was willing to do the same (John
3:13). It is also confirmed by the words of Paul in the 9th chapter of
Hebrews where he teaches us that it is given unto all men once to die
(i.e. in the flesh) before the day of judgment (which occurs at the end
of the Millennium). Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment." Again,
Christ was willing to do the same
thing as the children and so we
see
the love and fairness of our Father in that He did not ask His children
to come down from above and be born of flesh while exempting Himself.
From Pamphlet #4201
My
Note: We were created before the earth Ref. Scripture Job 38:1-7
We, you and me,
were all created before the earth existed.
Scripture:
Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and
said,
2
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer
thou me.
4
Where wast thou when I
laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.
5
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath
stretched the line upon it?
6
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner
stone thereof;
7
When the morning stars
sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Of course
you must know that you were one of those morning stars to appreciate
the statements made in verse seven.
Remember Joseph's dream from Genesis 37:9.
We, just like Joseph and his eleven brother,
are all stars of heaven. Yes, we've been there!
Some of us still are, waiting our turn to come here and spend time in
flesh and blood/animal bodies. Many of us have
already been here and have returned to be with the Lord.
Read (live link-) to-Genesis
37:1-11.
Please note, I did not say the
flesh body, you now live in, was created prior to Genesis 1:26.
I'm referring to the beginning, hundreds
of millions of years ago, before Genesis 1:1, He
created all of us as spiritual beings, i.e sons of God/angels; But, we had
bodies, Yes, spiritual bodies.
What is the
difference between a spiritual body and the animal type body you now
have, you
ask? Well
read John 20:19
where Jesus gives us a example of what is possible if you are in a
spiritual body.
John 20:19 Then
the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut
where the disciples were assembled for fear of the
Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst,
and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Also log unto and read.
Live Link to-There is a
natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Then
as described in Genesis 1:1 God
created the heavens and the earth as
described in Job 38:1-7 when all of us sons of God shouted for joy when
seeing the beautiful new home (earth) He had just created for us to
live on.
Please log unto
and read (live links-) to-#1003 and The pre-Adamic World
for further information.
But
after that something bad happened; and we find the earth in ruins as
described in Genesis 1:2.
See (live link-) to-Lucifer's
Flood
1
John 5:6 This is he that came by water
and
blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that
bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and
these three are one. 8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the
water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for
this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Romans
11:5-8 Even so
then at this present time also there is a remnant
according to the election of grace. [6]
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no
more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise
work is no more work. [7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that
which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest
were blinded [8] (According
as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that
they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.